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    • If we put together what has been published about the mistresses of Edward
      IV, we may get an interesting picture.

      Cahiers de Saint Louis, page 880, gives Edward IV
      by Elisabeth/Elizabeth Waite
      1.Arthur
      by NN
      2.Grace
      3.Elisabeth/Elizabeth, she married her cousin Thomas, 4th Lord Lumley
      (he wasn't a Lord Lumley!!!)

      The Plantagenet Encyclopedia, General Editor Elizabeth Hallam, page 160.
      Arthur Plantagenet, died 1542. Illegitimate son of Edward IV of England and
      Elizabeth Lucy, daughter of Thomas Wayte, a minor Hampshire gentleman. Their
      affaire lasted from around Edward IV's accession in 1461 to his marriage to
      Elizabeth Woodville in 1464.

      The Complete Peerage Volume VIII page 63.
      Elizabeth suo jure Baroness Lisle, married (2) 12 November 1511
      Arthur Plantagenet, illegitimate son of Edward IV. His mother's name is
      unknown; by some said to be the "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" by others the
      notorious Jane Shore, and by others one Elizabeth Waite, he himself being at
      first known as Arthur Waite.

      Blood Royal, by Charles Mosley, pages65 and 166
      He gives Edward IV nine legitimate children whereas Cahiers de Saint Louis
      gives as a tenth legitimate child Brigitte 1480-1517.

      One less legitimate child but one more illegitimate one. However,
      uncertainty is certainly indicated.
      Edward IV is said to have had (a) a bastard son (Edward, of Wigmore, died
      young 1468) by Eleanor, daughter of the 4th Earl of Ormonde.
      ====somehow I doubt this one, as wasn't Eleanor Butler supposedly engaged to
      Edward IV? An engagement (if there was one) which should render the children
      by Elizabeth Woodville illegitimate?

      (b) a bastard daughter (Elizabeth married Thomas Lumley and had issue) by a
      woman referred to as "Lady Elizabeth Lucy" presumably wife of Sir William
      Lucy who died in 1492 and (c) illegitimately either by Elizabeth (not
      Jane) Shore (wife of William Shore, a London merchant) on whom he fathered a
      bastard daughter Grace (living 1492, Or Elizabeth Waite;
      ===the link between Elizabeth Waite and what follows is, to me, not very
      clear=====
      4e.Arthur, surname originally Waite or Wayte, subsequently Plantagenet,
      born circa 1470.

      What have we got from this? That Arthur was known as Arthur Waite, may give
      an indication that his mother was Elizabeth Waite/Wayte. Elizabeth Hallam's
      book makes this Elizabeth Waite a Mrs. Elizabeth Lucy. The Complete Peerage
      makes this Mrs. Elizabeth a Lady Elizabeth Lucy. "Blood Royal" makes Lady
      Elizabeth Lucy also mother of Elizabeth (Lumley).

      Elizabeth Hallam indicates as years of possible birth of the child(ren) of
      Edward IV by Elizabeth Waite as about 1461 till 1464/5. "Blood Royal"
      guesses that Arthur was born about 1470 and Richardson guesses "say 1475".
      Richardson wants him to be as young as possible, because Arthur didn't marry
      until 1511.

      If Arthur was born in 1463 he would have been about 48 when marrying,
      if he was born in 1470 he would have been 41, if born in 1475 he would have
      been about 36.

      However, we most not forget that he was in 1511 "only" the bastard brother
      of the Queen, and also he married the widow of a disgraced man, disgraced
      enough to be decapitated. And this, in my opinion, makes the age of Arthur,
      when marrying, irrelevant, he could well have been 48 as easy as only 36.

      For the children of Thomas Lumley and Elizabeth "Plantagenet", Richardson
      seems to follow Burke's Extinct Peerage,
      one son, Richard (Lord Lumley)
      and three daughters
      Anne (wife of Robert Ogle)
      Sibyl (wife of William Hilton
      Elizabeth (wife of Robert Cresswell)

      Then follows a weird observation "Descendants (not traced)". Whose
      descendants? Or, not traced by whom? Especially as earlier in his message he
      notes that Gary Boyd Roberts indicated that there are American descendants
      of Elizabeth Lumley.

      Cahiers de Saint Louis, which Richardson has learned to appreciate, gives
      the same three daughters but instead of one son, gives four sons. The last
      son, Roger, is important as he is an ancestor of Prince Charles (See Paget
      O24907).

      That Richardson's remark "Descendants (not traced)" is ludicrous can also be
      shown by the known acestry of just three of the children of Thomas and
      Elizabeth Lumley (let's skip Roger, he has been shown to have descendants
      till the present):

      Richard Lumley
      he is an ancestor of the later Earls of Scarborough, HRH Richard, Duke of
      Gloucester, Dukes of Buccleuch, Dukes of Northumberland, Marquess of
      Exeter, Marquess of Linlithgow, Marquess of Zetland

      Anne Lumley
      she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Sarah Ferguson, Dukes
      of Atholl, Bedford, Northumberland, Richmond, Earls of Harewood and Warwick

      Sybil Lumley
      she is ancestor of HM the Queen, Lady Diana Spencer, Dukes of Abercorn,
      Buccleuch, Devonshire, Marlborough, Westminster, Northumberland and the last
      Duke of Leeds.

      Hope this is of some interest and helps.
      As always, best wishes
      Leo van de Pas

      There seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward
      IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect
      the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV
      is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage
      to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King
      Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or
      before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand,
      doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until
      1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two
      bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is
      that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 1460/2 and that Arthur Plantagenet
      was born say 1475.

      If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd
      appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup.

      Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
      E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com
    Person ID  I4536  Royal Family of Europe
    Last Modified  15 Mar 2003 

    Family 1  ENGLAND Edward IV King Of,   b. 28 Apr 1442, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Apr 1483, Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  NOT MARRIED  Not Married Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID  F1571  Group Sheet

    Family 2  ENGLAND Edward IV King Of,   b. 28 Apr 1442, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Apr 1483, Palace, Westminster, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  Not Married Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    >1. PLANTAGENET Elizabeth,   b. Abt 1460, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Family ID  F1565  Group Sheet



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